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Jan. 31st, 2011 11:36 pm
darkauthor26: ([supernatural]Dean Always Right)
I posted a link to this article on my facebook, and now I'm in an argument with someone who I thought was smarter is basically making it all about how it's unfair to men to assume they're rapists until proving otherwise and that it's sexist to do so. She had the gall to tell me that I'm very clearly sexist against men when I pointed out that sexism against men is just misogyny coming back to bite men in the ass. I'm hoping she is salvageable, though, because I did think she was better than this. I'm really hoping this is just a case of being ill informed and uneducated on a social issue (which a lot of people are). If it's not that then I'm going to remove her from my friend's list on facebook. I can't deal with having these arguments with people I know and like(d). Not to the migraine inducing extent that she's taking this.

I liked her to
Feminism 101 and Rape Culture 101 on Shakesville in the hopes that those articles will somehow help. It was all I could think to do.

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I'm reading an extensive analysis of the Left Behind series. For those of you who haven't heard of it, the Left Behind series is an End of Days story. It begins with the Rapture and thus with mass disappearances of people all over the planet as God takes the true believes up to heaven. The story follows a band of people who were left behind as they witness the Tribulation and the rising of the Anti-Christ. The series, in my opinion, is horrible, full of bad writing and bad theology, but it provides some great discussion and the comment section is as worth reading as the posts. It contains some of the most thoughtful and respectful theological debates and discussion in the comments (mostly) that I've ever seen. I also love insights like this:

The other option is to read such tirades as wholly directed at Other People. Judgement is never for Us, only for Them. This is one of the main points of LB and indeed of the entire pseudotheological framework of premillennial dispensationalism on which it is based.

This approach -- judgement for Thee but not for Me -- also helps to account for the current antigay mania of American evangelicalism. In a couple of Paul's other rants, he includes "sodomites" in his bestiaries of badness. Even if we accept, for the sake of argument, the dubious assumption that Paul misunderstood the story of Sodom, and therefore used this as a synonym for "homosexuals," it doesn't follow that "homosexuals are bad" is the main lesson that heterosexuals should be gleaning from such passages. But if you read such passages looking for any excuse to exempt yourself from the apostle's condemnation, this offers an ideal escape hatch. Preaching against self-love, ingratitude, love of money or love of pleasure can be a two-edged sword. But if you're heterosexual, and you're preaching against homosexuality, then you're safe. You've found the ideal target for self-exempting, self-justifying self-righteousness.

Judgment is for Other People.
-- Fred Clark (emphasis mine)


It's really best to read the the post "Other People" to understand the whole context of this passage. Personally, I think it's best to just read the whole thing because of the theological discussions as well as those on how horrible the writing is.

But here are a couple of gems from the comments section:

"But if you're heterosexual, and you're preaching against homosexuality, then you're safe."

I'm so glad to see this pointed out. Attending any of the serious social or spiritual concerns the bible tends to focus on involves, too often, both a conscious acceptance of our own failings as well as admonishments to change our own behavior. The bible's far too likely to tell us that we're too interested in wealth, not doing enough to help other people and overly judgmental, and nobody likes to hear that.

On the other hand, if we scrounge through the bible to find some obscure condemnation of a behavior we've never even wanted to commit, then suddenly our souls are clean, we don't need to change who we are and, best of all, there's someone else distinctly more 'sinful' than us we can point a finger at.

Of course, the bible speaks out far more fervently against this kind of judgmental lambasting than it does homosexuality, reminding us that condemnation and judgment are God's affairs, not ours, which renders this attitude about as 'christian' as whacking strangers for the KaliMa, but all shapes and sizes, right?
-- Michael "Vendor X" Heaney

If I highlighted everything I loved about this particular comment, the whole thing would be in bold. So I decided I'd better not.
 
Martin: The Bible is quite clear that homosexuality is not the reason the Sodom was destroyed, but rather it was they they didn't feed the poor or clothe the naked:

Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

(Ezekiel 16: 49-50 NIV)
-- wintermute (emphasis mine)
 
I have to thank wintermute for supplying this verse. I'd never seen or heard that verse before, but thank you, God! I've finally found a definitive verse to quote the next time someone starts to say that the sin of Sodom was homosexuality.

Following this was an interesting discussion on why the sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality--in addition to the verse supplied above--because of the social context as well as the context of some actions in the story. There was then a discussion on whether angels were or are sexless which--if they are--would render the possibility of homosexuality moot.

I'm going to stop quoting things here and just roll around on the floor in glee at the fact that I've found a religious discussion that hasn't descended into madness and stupidity and which actually has something I can sink my teeth into. It makes me want to pick up my Bible and just start reading.

 

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